There is no doubt about that ( Nehruvian growth, for instance ). What I am questioning is the blanket assumption that freedom in every single issue is necessarily conducive to the survival, well being and progress of the society – which rather than freedom should be the real end of human endeavour ( freedom being at best the means ).

I think gaurav’s definitions of “freedom lovers” and “India lovers” were stronger – so that they became mutually exclusive. Freedom lovers are people who unquestioningly accept individualist notions of freedom, thus supporting a situation in which there is no means to ensure the survival and progress of India – something which is of higher priority than freedom as far as India lovers are concerned ( gaurav please correct me if I’m wrong ).

“Dictator” is just a term of reverence. I hope soon every one will call me by that.

But I am amused, India is a “place”. This is what happens when people confuse their adequacy with intelligence.
This is also the reason, I believe that democracy is a good system as long as it doesn’t work.

First of all I am not a libertarian. I believe in right of center ideology, I believe in freedom but I also believe in the concept of nation state. Your assumption is incorrect.

Second, if you had read Gaurav’s blog regularly, you would have known exactly why the term ”dictator” was used. Perhaps, you should ask the man himself instead of jumping to conclusions.

The joke is on you, my friend.

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‘As you can see, the dictator isn’t too impressed with the idea of a libertarian party.
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DUHHHhhUHHhh…Its so obvious, someone who isnt a livertarian, must be a dictator..

Now unless there is a sar-chasm between me and Mr Confused, this illustrates desi livertarian thought process quite well.

>> “And you think it will if it’s not a freedom loving one?”

>> Most probably, yes. A third world hellhole, but yes.

>>>> Frankly, I am speechless. You know that you are fighting a losing battle when the place
>>>> becomes more important than the people.

Ahh.. his smugness himself

Ill let Gaurav speak for himself, but (I think) I get his distinction between India lovers and ‘freedom lovers’. You see, first of all, freedom lovers is used here as a put down, catch all desi livertarians, term.

Now it is a very aptly chosen phrase, after all, ostensibly, and quite ostentatiously, there is no one who loves freedom more than our desi livertarian. After all, non-livertarians either want to give up their freedom, or want to take away the freedom of others.

Its also a very cleverly chosen phrase, hopefully it’ll be useful in needling many many more people in future. Why so, you ask ? Because no desi livertarian will deny that he (99% of all desi livertarians are he, rest are experimental errors ) is a freedom lover, yet the term pokes fun at the pretentiousness of such a nom de guerre.

Now once in a while, we will have a desi livertarian who misses the sarcasm, and will promptly and proudly assume the ‘freedom lover’ epithet, and will cause a fair amount of sniggering in the non-livertarian camp..

Thank you Patrix, your comment was cause for bringing some joy to the hapless non-livertarian world

Sudeep

Nitin,

“And you think it will if it’s not a freedom loving one?”

Most probably, yes. A third world hellhole, but yes.

Frankly, I am speechless. You know that you are fighting a losing battle when the place becomes more important than the people.

assumption that a free society can guarantee – by keeping patriotism strong or otherwise – the progress or even stability of India, is more or less unfounded.

Well, at worst, I’d say it is an unproven hypothesis. But on the contrary, there is plenty of evidence to the effect that the lack of freedom is actually blocking the progress and damaging the stability of India.

Nitin u game? other INI bloggers/readers speak up. Nitin of course will be public face, i will graciously offer tohandle the kuthivelaku and sombu distribution and also offer graciously to maximise the welfare of all those involved.

everyone is a capitalist. libertarian, right wing, left wing, all humbug, the omnipotent truth is capitalism.