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	<title>Comments on: It&#8217;s done with incentives, not platitudes</title>
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		<title>By: Niraj Kumar</title>
		<link>http://acorn.nationalinterest.in/2007/08/16/its-done-with-incentives-not-platitudes/comment-page-1/#comment-106337</link>
		<dc:creator>Niraj Kumar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 09:24:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there is facility of financial advisor!

with rgds,
niraj kumar
mo-9909907961</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there is facility of financial advisor!</p>
<p>with rgds,<br />
niraj kumar<br />
mo-9909907961</p>
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		<title>By: OBC Quotas and cut offs &#171; Reality Check India</title>
		<link>http://acorn.nationalinterest.in/2007/08/16/its-done-with-incentives-not-platitudes/comment-page-1/#comment-105812</link>
		<dc:creator>OBC Quotas and cut offs &#171; Reality Check India</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 06:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and cut&#160;offs Posted in Uncategorized by realitycheck on the August 22nd, 2007   Recently, Nitin wrote a post about the effects of caste based quotas on excellence. Why would a marginal student [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and cut&nbsp;offs Posted in Uncategorized by realitycheck on the August 22nd, 2007   Recently, Nitin wrote a post about the effects of caste based quotas on excellence. Why would a marginal student [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bruno</title>
		<link>http://acorn.nationalinterest.in/2007/08/16/its-done-with-incentives-not-platitudes/comment-page-1/#comment-105749</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 14:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To get Comp Science in Anna University, a student from BC or SC has to Score more than the OC Cut Off....

.....

To know how Reservations have uplifted the society, see the MBBS Admissions

Open Seats - 430

321 BC students,
57 MBC students
14 SC students will get into the open competition.
38 Forward Community

This literally means that students from BC (321) and MBC (57) score well than the Forward Community (38) Counterparts

This also means that the students from the so called forward community are able to get LESS THAN 10 percent of seats available......

That is if 430 seats are available forward community gets 38

If 100 seats are available Forward Community will get 9 seats (38*100/430)

If 81 seats are available Forward Community will get 8 seats (38*85/430)

So WHEN 100 seats are available

WITHOUT RESERVATION
FOrward Community will get 9 seats

WITH 18 % reservation for SC and 1 % reservation for ST
Forward Community is getting 8 seats

That means, reservation is giving JUST ONE OUT OF THE 100 Seats from Forward Community to the SC and ST

Why then there is such a huge cry against Reservation ??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To get Comp Science in Anna University, a student from BC or SC has to Score more than the OC Cut Off&#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8230;..</p>
<p>To know how Reservations have uplifted the society, see the MBBS Admissions</p>
<p>Open Seats &#8211; 430</p>
<p>321 BC students,<br />
57 MBC students<br />
14 SC students will get into the open competition.<br />
38 Forward Community</p>
<p>This literally means that students from BC (321) and MBC (57) score well than the Forward Community (38) Counterparts</p>
<p>This also means that the students from the so called forward community are able to get LESS THAN 10 percent of seats available&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>That is if 430 seats are available forward community gets 38</p>
<p>If 100 seats are available Forward Community will get 9 seats (38*100/430)</p>
<p>If 81 seats are available Forward Community will get 8 seats (38*85/430)</p>
<p>So WHEN 100 seats are available</p>
<p>WITHOUT RESERVATION<br />
FOrward Community will get 9 seats</p>
<p>WITH 18 % reservation for SC and 1 % reservation for ST<br />
Forward Community is getting 8 seats</p>
<p>That means, reservation is giving JUST ONE OUT OF THE 100 Seats from Forward Community to the SC and ST</p>
<p>Why then there is such a huge cry against Reservation ??</p>
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		<title>By: Bruno</title>
		<link>http://acorn.nationalinterest.in/2007/08/16/its-done-with-incentives-not-platitudes/comment-page-1/#comment-105748</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 14:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tamil Nadu Cut Off in MBBS

General - 97.75%
BC - 97 %
MBC - 95.5%
SC - 94 %
ST - 90 %

This is what happens when you give reservation ....

Now, I am sure that the author understand as to why the students from backward communities will work hard.....

By the way, Nitin, what is your opinion about Institute Quota in AIIMS.. Why no one is opposing that .... Can you please explain</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tamil Nadu Cut Off in MBBS</p>
<p>General &#8211; 97.75%<br />
BC &#8211; 97 %<br />
MBC &#8211; 95.5%<br />
SC &#8211; 94 %<br />
ST &#8211; 90 %</p>
<p>This is what happens when you give reservation &#8230;.</p>
<p>Now, I am sure that the author understand as to why the students from backward communities will work hard&#8230;..</p>
<p>By the way, Nitin, what is your opinion about Institute Quota in AIIMS.. Why no one is opposing that &#8230;. Can you please explain</p>
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		<title>By: Bruno</title>
		<link>http://acorn.nationalinterest.in/2007/08/16/its-done-with-incentives-not-platitudes/comment-page-1/#comment-105747</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 14:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>//Why would a marginal student aspire to be in the top 5% of the class if reservations guaranteed that person a place in an engineering college as long as he made the â€˜cut-offâ€™ for his community?//

To get the college of his choice and course of his choice....

To get into COmp Science in Anna University, the difference between OC, BC and MBC cut offs are marginal

Same for Medical Colleges also

Does this gentleman know that the cut off for MBBS in tamil Nadu (with history of reservation for decades)


// And why would the marginal student in the engineering college attempt to score top grades, when quotas guarantee a government job? //

To get the job of his choice and place of his choice

//And why would the marginal government employee strive for excellence if promotions can be had with far less effort, as long as there is a quota?//

This is the most stupid argument i have seen (of course most - though not all - of anti reservation arguments are stupid)

Promotion irrespective of performance is guaranteed for EVERY ONE IRRESPECTIVE OF QUOTAs....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>//Why would a marginal student aspire to be in the top 5% of the class if reservations guaranteed that person a place in an engineering college as long as he made the â€˜cut-offâ€™ for his community?//</p>
<p>To get the college of his choice and course of his choice&#8230;.</p>
<p>To get into COmp Science in Anna University, the difference between OC, BC and MBC cut offs are marginal</p>
<p>Same for Medical Colleges also</p>
<p>Does this gentleman know that the cut off for MBBS in tamil Nadu (with history of reservation for decades)</p>
<p>// And why would the marginal student in the engineering college attempt to score top grades, when quotas guarantee a government job? //</p>
<p>To get the job of his choice and place of his choice</p>
<p>//And why would the marginal government employee strive for excellence if promotions can be had with far less effort, as long as there is a quota?//</p>
<p>This is the most stupid argument i have seen (of course most &#8211; though not all &#8211; of anti reservation arguments are stupid)</p>
<p>Promotion irrespective of performance is guaranteed for EVERY ONE IRRESPECTIVE OF QUOTAs&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: The Rational Fool</title>
		<link>http://acorn.nationalinterest.in/2007/08/16/its-done-with-incentives-not-platitudes/comment-page-1/#comment-105564</link>
		<dc:creator>The Rational Fool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 19:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Incentive compatibility, moral hazard and adverse selection are not in the lexicon of the eminent Cambridge and Oxford economists, who formulate India&#039;s social and economic policies. For them, Nash equilibrium and market for lemons are just artifacts of demented minds! They are trained in the mold of Fabian Socialism. From each according his/her ability and to each according his/her needs, by democratic means, of course.  

To finesse a possible adverse Supreme Court judgment in the quota case, I suggest that the UPA Government immediately pass the Performance With Social Justice Act of 2007. All Educational institutions must reserve the top grade (A-, A, or A+) in exams according to this egalitarian and socially just formula: 22.5% for the SC/ST students, 27% for the OBC, 15% for Muslims, 2% for Christians, 2% for Sikhs, 33% for girls, ... Oops, am I overshooting 100%? Heck, why not a few percentage points error when social justice is at stake?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Incentive compatibility, moral hazard and adverse selection are not in the lexicon of the eminent Cambridge and Oxford economists, who formulate India&#8217;s social and economic policies. For them, Nash equilibrium and market for lemons are just artifacts of demented minds! They are trained in the mold of Fabian Socialism. From each according his/her ability and to each according his/her needs, by democratic means, of course.  </p>
<p>To finesse a possible adverse Supreme Court judgment in the quota case, I suggest that the UPA Government immediately pass the Performance With Social Justice Act of 2007. All Educational institutions must reserve the top grade (A-, A, or A+) in exams according to this egalitarian and socially just formula: 22.5% for the SC/ST students, 27% for the OBC, 15% for Muslims, 2% for Christians, 2% for Sikhs, 33% for girls, &#8230; Oops, am I overshooting 100%? Heck, why not a few percentage points error when social justice is at stake?</p>
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		<title>By: Nitin</title>
		<link>http://acorn.nationalinterest.in/2007/08/16/its-done-with-incentives-not-platitudes/comment-page-1/#comment-105553</link>
		<dc:creator>Nitin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 13:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BD,

Yes. It counts. But doesn&#039;t even scratch the surface as far as reforming the civil service is concerned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BD,</p>
<p>Yes. It counts. But doesn&#8217;t even scratch the surface as far as reforming the civil service is concerned.</p>
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		<title>By: BD</title>
		<link>http://acorn.nationalinterest.in/2007/08/16/its-done-with-incentives-not-platitudes/comment-page-1/#comment-105545</link>
		<dc:creator>BD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 09:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as reform in civil services is concerned, I agree with most of your points. But doesn&#039;t RTI qualify to be one of the factors to be considered as far as reform in civil services is concerned?

Just a query though, I may be wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as reform in civil services is concerned, I agree with most of your points. But doesn&#8217;t RTI qualify to be one of the factors to be considered as far as reform in civil services is concerned?</p>
<p>Just a query though, I may be wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Sriram</title>
		<link>http://acorn.nationalinterest.in/2007/08/16/its-done-with-incentives-not-platitudes/comment-page-1/#comment-105538</link>
		<dc:creator>Sriram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 06:33:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are a racist :)
I somehow feel like quoting&lt;blockquote&gt;Capitalism is the unequal distribution of wealth, communism is the equal distribution of poverty.&lt;/blockquote&gt;:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are a racist <img src='http://acorn.nationalinterest.in/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
I somehow feel like quoting<br />
<blockquote>Capitalism is the unequal distribution of wealth, communism is the equal distribution of poverty.</p></blockquote>
<p> <img src='http://acorn.nationalinterest.in/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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