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	<title>Comments on: Indian submarine says an unfriendly hello to Chinese destroyers</title>
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		<title>By: sid</title>
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		<dc:creator>sid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 08:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if indian submarine really wanted to do some thing it could have destroyed the destroyers even before they activated ASW .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if indian submarine really wanted to do some thing it could have destroyed the destroyers even before they activated ASW .</p>
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		<title>By: Swapan Chakravarthy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Swapan Chakravarthy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 11:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That Indian Navy&#039;s submarines could track two destroyers show that the submarine commander has been able to penetrate the figure-of-eight sheild provided the the destroyers sonar system. It shows lack of preparedness or poor training for the ASW officers on board the destroyers.

Launching ASW helicopters to force the submarine to surface is not verifiable. The submarine commander had sufficient time to move out of the zone.

The commander of the submarine deserves to be congratulated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That Indian Navy&#8217;s submarines could track two destroyers show that the submarine commander has been able to penetrate the figure-of-eight sheild provided the the destroyers sonar system. It shows lack of preparedness or poor training for the ASW officers on board the destroyers.</p>
<p>Launching ASW helicopters to force the submarine to surface is not verifiable. The submarine commander had sufficient time to move out of the zone.</p>
<p>The commander of the submarine deserves to be congratulated.</p>
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		<title>By: Milind</title>
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		<dc:creator>Milind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 12:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rediff reports today that the reports are bogus according to South China Morning Post

&quot;Subsequent investigations revealed that the details of the &#039;standoff&#039; was actually from a Chinese military drill in 2008 and had no factual basis, the South China Morning Post reported on Monday&quot;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rediff.com/news/2009/feb/09india-china-naval-standoff-report-false.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;available here&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rediff reports today that the reports are bogus according to South China Morning Post</p>
<p>&#8220;Subsequent investigations revealed that the details of the &#8217;standoff&#8217; was actually from a Chinese military drill in 2008 and had no factual basis, the South China Morning Post reported on Monday&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.rediff.com/news/2009/feb/09india-china-naval-standoff-report-false.htm" rel="nofollow">available here</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mihir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mihir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 16:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IN is saying that no such incident happened. ToI says it was Eye-ranian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IN is saying that no such incident happened. ToI says it was Eye-ranian.</p>
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		<title>By: Chandra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 14:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do we know where exactly the incident happened? This kind of thing happens all the time. It&#039;s just that the Chinese usually don&#039;t show up on the western seas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do we know where exactly the incident happened? This kind of thing happens all the time. It&#8217;s just that the Chinese usually don&#8217;t show up on the western seas.</p>
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		<title>By: Sanjay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sanjay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 13:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure how much credibility to give this report, if it&#039;s being told from the Chinese pov.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure how much credibility to give this report, if it&#8217;s being told from the Chinese pov.</p>
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		<title>By: Atlantean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Atlantean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 08:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If collection of intelligence was the main objective and if the sub got within range of jamming the Chinese ships&#039; sonars, then the operation may be a success for the Indian Navy.

However, you have to question the credibility of the news report as it comes from the state-controlled Chinese media. See the language: &quot;The Indian vessel left without further confrontation.&quot;

Confrontation? The sub didnt launch any weapons nor did it threaten to launch. According to the report itself, the sub may have been collecting data about the two Chinese ships.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If collection of intelligence was the main objective and if the sub got within range of jamming the Chinese ships&#8217; sonars, then the operation may be a success for the Indian Navy.</p>
<p>However, you have to question the credibility of the news report as it comes from the state-controlled Chinese media. See the language: &#8220;The Indian vessel left without further confrontation.&#8221;</p>
<p>Confrontation? The sub didnt launch any weapons nor did it threaten to launch. According to the report itself, the sub may have been collecting data about the two Chinese ships.</p>
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		<title>By: Pankaj</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pankaj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 07:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Pakistanis [via their NATO patrons] are investing very heavily both on their missile and air power capabilities and also on new naval acquisitions. 

Indians must prepare very fast to prevent a China - Pak alliance on the Indian Ocean Region.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Pakistanis [via their NATO patrons] are investing very heavily both on their missile and air power capabilities and also on new naval acquisitions. </p>
<p>Indians must prepare very fast to prevent a China &#8211; Pak alliance on the Indian Ocean Region.</p>
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		<title>By: Jedi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jedi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 07:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For a change, its good to hear such news where Indian navy is proactive instead of just reactive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a change, its good to hear such news where Indian navy is proactive instead of just reactive.</p>
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		<title>By: B.O.K.</title>
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		<dc:creator>B.O.K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 07:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nitin, 

IMO, while the Chinese folks would surely be wondering about the start of the movie, it is unlikely that this sort of end could have been scripted by India. 

If the Indian sub-marine could stay undetected, it would have done so for as long as possible.. testing the Chinese capabilities on various parameters (and its own in turn). I doubt if they surfaced because they figured *everything* out and decided to come up. 

Nor could it be a part of diplomatic signaling - because there are plenty of ways to send such signals that don&#039;t involve allowing Chinese warships to exercise against our subs, and the Navy would perhaps never agree to such a thing anyway.

PS: this is not to say that the Navy would not have considered the possibility of being forced to surface. But that&#039;s unscripted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nitin, </p>
<p>IMO, while the Chinese folks would surely be wondering about the start of the movie, it is unlikely that this sort of end could have been scripted by India. </p>
<p>If the Indian sub-marine could stay undetected, it would have done so for as long as possible.. testing the Chinese capabilities on various parameters (and its own in turn). I doubt if they surfaced because they figured *everything* out and decided to come up. </p>
<p>Nor could it be a part of diplomatic signaling &#8211; because there are plenty of ways to send such signals that don&#8217;t involve allowing Chinese warships to exercise against our subs, and the Navy would perhaps never agree to such a thing anyway.</p>
<p>PS: this is not to say that the Navy would not have considered the possibility of being forced to surface. But that&#8217;s unscripted.</p>
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