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		<title>By: Samsargin</title>
		<link>http://acorn.nationalinterest.in/2009/02/17/surrendering-swat/comment-page-1/#comment-126515</link>
		<dc:creator>Samsargin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 23:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This should be an eye opener to those who support hindu religious parties in India. Religious fundamentalism once unleashed is hard to put back into the bottle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This should be an eye opener to those who support hindu religious parties in India. Religious fundamentalism once unleashed is hard to put back into the bottle.</p>
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		<title>By: Global Voices dalam bahasa Indonesia &#187; Pakistan: Gencatan Senjata Taliban</title>
		<link>http://acorn.nationalinterest.in/2009/02/17/surrendering-swat/comment-page-1/#comment-126365</link>
		<dc:creator>Global Voices dalam bahasa Indonesia &#187; Pakistan: Gencatan Senjata Taliban</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Acorn mengomentari penyerahan diri Swat: Usaha untuk menjelaskan penyerahan diri hanyalah sebuah taktik pemerintah [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Global Voices in Italiano &#187; Pakistan: reggerà la tregua tra esercito e pro-Taliban nella valle dello Swat?</title>
		<link>http://acorn.nationalinterest.in/2009/02/17/surrendering-swat/comment-page-1/#comment-126353</link>
		<dc:creator>Global Voices in Italiano &#187; Pakistan: reggerà la tregua tra esercito e pro-Taliban nella valle dello Swat?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 00:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Acorn commenta [in] la resa dello Swat: Il tentativo di giustificare questa resa come mossa tattica è inutile - a [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Trilok</title>
		<link>http://acorn.nationalinterest.in/2009/02/17/surrendering-swat/comment-page-1/#comment-126334</link>
		<dc:creator>Trilok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 15:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>vakibs -   just because a few muslim friends join us for a beer, doesn&#039;t mean that there is a significant percentage of muslims who are liberal and fighting the fight. 
 where is the proof? give me one example, just one, and i will shut up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>vakibs &#8211;   just because a few muslim friends join us for a beer, doesn&#8217;t mean that there is a significant percentage of muslims who are liberal and fighting the fight.<br />
 where is the proof? give me one example, just one, and i will shut up.</p>
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		<title>By: Alagu Periaswamy</title>
		<link>http://acorn.nationalinterest.in/2009/02/17/surrendering-swat/comment-page-1/#comment-126329</link>
		<dc:creator>Alagu Periaswamy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 14:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What we are seeing in Pakistan is the formation of the classic power formation in an islamic theocratic state.   The Clergy make their own rules based on their interpretation of the shariat, the &quot;army&quot; (the irregular army, i.e., the Taliban and a radicalized Pakistani army) enforces these rules, and the common man takes it up the chin and remains obedient to the whims of the &quot;rulers&quot;, exactly as it is in today&#039;s Saudi Arabia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What we are seeing in Pakistan is the formation of the classic power formation in an islamic theocratic state.   The Clergy make their own rules based on their interpretation of the shariat, the &#8220;army&#8221; (the irregular army, i.e., the Taliban and a radicalized Pakistani army) enforces these rules, and the common man takes it up the chin and remains obedient to the whims of the &#8220;rulers&#8221;, exactly as it is in today&#8217;s Saudi Arabia.</p>
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		<title>By: Alagu Periaswamy</title>
		<link>http://acorn.nationalinterest.in/2009/02/17/surrendering-swat/comment-page-1/#comment-126328</link>
		<dc:creator>Alagu Periaswamy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 14:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pakistan&#039;s disintegration will rip the veil of &quot;moderate pakistan&quot; in front of the world, and that is a first step towards everyone accepting that anyone supporting Pakistan is part of the problem, not part of the solution. 

 Some people seem to be dropping a load in their pants at the thought of the Taliban next door, and pretending that India would be hurt by such an eventuality.   Let me remind such people that the Taliban will not be speaking pristine english and posing for western photographers,  they will be enforcing the Shariat on the pakistanis, and such evil could not befall a nicer bunch of people.

The Pakistanis wanted to be the fortress of islam, and we are just seeing their deepest desires come true, with islam taking over all of pakistan from the ground up.   The Pakistani punjabis who are so cosmopolitan and elite and westernized need to be under taliban rule for a few years before they change their worldview and stop feeding the islamist fire,  instead of using jihad and religion as a means of political control of people and territory by strict implementation of religious law.  They are getting eaten by their own monster and paying the consequences of their own past actions.   Just get yourself a plate of mulaga bajji and watch the fun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pakistan&#8217;s disintegration will rip the veil of &#8220;moderate pakistan&#8221; in front of the world, and that is a first step towards everyone accepting that anyone supporting Pakistan is part of the problem, not part of the solution. </p>
<p> Some people seem to be dropping a load in their pants at the thought of the Taliban next door, and pretending that India would be hurt by such an eventuality.   Let me remind such people that the Taliban will not be speaking pristine english and posing for western photographers,  they will be enforcing the Shariat on the pakistanis, and such evil could not befall a nicer bunch of people.</p>
<p>The Pakistanis wanted to be the fortress of islam, and we are just seeing their deepest desires come true, with islam taking over all of pakistan from the ground up.   The Pakistani punjabis who are so cosmopolitan and elite and westernized need to be under taliban rule for a few years before they change their worldview and stop feeding the islamist fire,  instead of using jihad and religion as a means of political control of people and territory by strict implementation of religious law.  They are getting eaten by their own monster and paying the consequences of their own past actions.   Just get yourself a plate of mulaga bajji and watch the fun.</p>
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		<title>By: Alagu Periaswamy</title>
		<link>http://acorn.nationalinterest.in/2009/02/17/surrendering-swat/comment-page-1/#comment-126327</link>
		<dc:creator>Alagu Periaswamy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 14:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is well known the extreme muslims put a death threat on the heads of Salman Rushdie for &quot;insulting islam&quot;.  Samajwadi Party&#039;s Yaqoob Qureishi places 5 crore bounty on the head of danish cartoonists, an more recently Taslima Nasreen.  The &quot;moderate muslims&quot; who are usually first in line to scream &quot;hindu fascism&quot; were strangely silent as their  fellow muslims abused innocent people for speaking their mind.

 Moderate muslims remain dishonest  because speaking against the extremists in their community will get them killed post haste, so these moderate muslims pretend that the only source of fundamentalism in India is in hinduism.   The moderate muslims in India, barring the odd brave soul every now and then that dares to speak the truth, are paying lip service against islamic extremism while pretending that all the real extremists in India are not muslims.   Such behaviour is not going to win them any friends in non muslim communities in the long run.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is well known the extreme muslims put a death threat on the heads of Salman Rushdie for &#8220;insulting islam&#8221;.  Samajwadi Party&#8217;s Yaqoob Qureishi places 5 crore bounty on the head of danish cartoonists, an more recently Taslima Nasreen.  The &#8220;moderate muslims&#8221; who are usually first in line to scream &#8220;hindu fascism&#8221; were strangely silent as their  fellow muslims abused innocent people for speaking their mind.</p>
<p> Moderate muslims remain dishonest  because speaking against the extremists in their community will get them killed post haste, so these moderate muslims pretend that the only source of fundamentalism in India is in hinduism.   The moderate muslims in India, barring the odd brave soul every now and then that dares to speak the truth, are paying lip service against islamic extremism while pretending that all the real extremists in India are not muslims.   Such behaviour is not going to win them any friends in non muslim communities in the long run.</p>
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		<title>By: vakibs</title>
		<link>http://acorn.nationalinterest.in/2009/02/17/surrendering-swat/comment-page-1/#comment-126323</link>
		<dc:creator>vakibs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 12:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Atanu,

If you acknowledge that liberal Muslims exist, then you should also acknowledge that it is primarily their responsibility to reform Islam and to eliminate extremism from it. 

Instead, you confound the entire problem with &quot;Islam&quot;, thereby antagonizing the liberals amongst the Muslims and providing fodder for extremists. Whether we like it or not, religious identity is a part of the identity of many people. Whatever criticism that one applies to any religion should not breach the limits of insulting the identity of people. How to draw that line ? Well. I say the easiest thing to do is to give the mouth-peace to liberal Muslims. As long as it is them who do the critiquing, nobody can complain of any insults.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Atanu,</p>
<p>If you acknowledge that liberal Muslims exist, then you should also acknowledge that it is primarily their responsibility to reform Islam and to eliminate extremism from it. </p>
<p>Instead, you confound the entire problem with &#8220;Islam&#8221;, thereby antagonizing the liberals amongst the Muslims and providing fodder for extremists. Whether we like it or not, religious identity is a part of the identity of many people. Whatever criticism that one applies to any religion should not breach the limits of insulting the identity of people. How to draw that line ? Well. I say the easiest thing to do is to give the mouth-peace to liberal Muslims. As long as it is them who do the critiquing, nobody can complain of any insults.</p>
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		<title>By: Atanu Dey</title>
		<link>http://acorn.nationalinterest.in/2009/02/17/surrendering-swat/comment-page-1/#comment-126320</link>
		<dc:creator>Atanu Dey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 04:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will do one better in the PC department (regarding vakibs&#039; comment #30 above) state that not only do I know liberal Muslims, I conjecture that in every possible group of humans, liberal members exist. Just as an example, there must be liberal Hutus and liberal Tutsis. What that has to do with the price of tea in China, I don&#039;t know.

Vacuous statements are just that ... totally empty of content or meaning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will do one better in the PC department (regarding vakibs&#8217; comment #30 above) state that not only do I know liberal Muslims, I conjecture that in every possible group of humans, liberal members exist. Just as an example, there must be liberal Hutus and liberal Tutsis. What that has to do with the price of tea in China, I don&#8217;t know.</p>
<p>Vacuous statements are just that &#8230; totally empty of content or meaning.</p>
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		<title>By: Keshav</title>
		<link>http://acorn.nationalinterest.in/2009/02/17/surrendering-swat/comment-page-1/#comment-126315</link>
		<dc:creator>Keshav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 14:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Suren -
If that&#039;s the way the BJP is saving Indian culture, India doesn&#039;t need the BJP.

Parties shouldn&#039;t be talking down artists of all people or accepting the Mangalore incident.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suren -<br />
If that&#8217;s the way the BJP is saving Indian culture, India doesn&#8217;t need the BJP.</p>
<p>Parties shouldn&#8217;t be talking down artists of all people or accepting the Mangalore incident.</p>
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		<title>By: vakibs</title>
		<link>http://acorn.nationalinterest.in/2009/02/17/surrendering-swat/comment-page-1/#comment-126312</link>
		<dc:creator>vakibs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 09:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;@Trilok, @Udayan&lt;/b&gt;

You will see when you care to see. I won&#039;t be asking you for their support if I didn&#039;t know liberal Muslims exist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>@Trilok, @Udayan</b></p>
<p>You will see when you care to see. I won&#8217;t be asking you for their support if I didn&#8217;t know liberal Muslims exist.</p>
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		<title>By: suren</title>
		<link>http://acorn.nationalinterest.in/2009/02/17/surrendering-swat/comment-page-1/#comment-126311</link>
		<dc:creator>suren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 08:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The BJP steps in to protect Indian culture yet again. Read more here

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Bangalore/Art-felt-disgust/articleshow/4157373.cms</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The BJP steps in to protect Indian culture yet again. Read more here</p>
<p><a href="http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Bangalore/Art-felt-disgust/articleshow/4157373.cms" rel="nofollow">http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Bangalore/Art-felt-disgust/articleshow/4157373.cms</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sanjay</title>
		<link>http://acorn.nationalinterest.in/2009/02/17/surrendering-swat/comment-page-1/#comment-126308</link>
		<dc:creator>Sanjay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 04:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Finally, an article in The Economist that strips away the sugar-coating, and describes Pak&#039;s sinking ship of state for what it is:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.economist.com/world/asia/displayStory.cfm?story_id=13144811&amp;source=hptextfeature&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;link&lt;/a&gt;

Even Pakistan&#039;s friends are seeing the handwriting on the wall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finally, an article in The Economist that strips away the sugar-coating, and describes Pak&#8217;s sinking ship of state for what it is:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.economist.com/world/asia/displayStory.cfm?story_id=13144811&amp;source=hptextfeature" rel="nofollow">link</a></p>
<p>Even Pakistan&#8217;s friends are seeing the handwriting on the wall.</p>
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		<title>By: socal</title>
		<link>http://acorn.nationalinterest.in/2009/02/17/surrendering-swat/comment-page-1/#comment-126305</link>
		<dc:creator>socal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:56:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I diasgree with you, Atanu. Demography will always favor the walled-off areas. See UK. If you read about the recent poll, in five yrs. the numbers have been staggering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I diasgree with you, Atanu. Demography will always favor the walled-off areas. See UK. If you read about the recent poll, in five yrs. the numbers have been staggering.</p>
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		<title>By: Trilok</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trilok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>vakibs  - i can understand that the liberal muslims are scared to confront those who have hijacked their religion, on the streets of karachi, baghdad, tehran and riyadh. but what is stopping them from marching on the streets of london, new york and copenhagen?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>vakibs  &#8211; i can understand that the liberal muslims are scared to confront those who have hijacked their religion, on the streets of karachi, baghdad, tehran and riyadh. but what is stopping them from marching on the streets of london, new york and copenhagen?</p>
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