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		<title>By: Aryan</title>
		<link>http://acorn.nationalinterest.in/2009/08/11/americans-just-want-to-be-loved/comment-page-1/#comment-129903</link>
		<dc:creator>Aryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 14:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a defacto institutional bias towards Pakistan and against India/Hinduism in several influential quarters in the US i.e. academic, media(liberal NYT or conservative Pat Buchanan), State Department and the CIA. To commemorate the 50th anniversary of Indian independence, NYT had a picture of slums of Dharavi! Did you really expect better? 

Some of it has to do with the cold-war mindset and India&#039;s non-aligned, non violent, holier then thou BS. Also one has to credit Pakistan&#039;s ability to fool the Americans in being the perp and the victim all at the same time. As someone said people usually rob others by putting a gun on their victims head, Pakis will rob you by putting a gun on their own heads. Its really a beautiful farce if it wasnt so detrimental to Indian interests. 

Its not that Americans want to pay of Paks to love them. They just hope to pay them off to stop attacking the US, as a bonus what they do in Af-central asia-india will be met with benign neglect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a defacto institutional bias towards Pakistan and against India/Hinduism in several influential quarters in the US i.e. academic, media(liberal NYT or conservative Pat Buchanan), State Department and the CIA. To commemorate the 50th anniversary of Indian independence, NYT had a picture of slums of Dharavi! Did you really expect better? </p>
<p>Some of it has to do with the cold-war mindset and India&#8217;s non-aligned, non violent, holier then thou BS. Also one has to credit Pakistan&#8217;s ability to fool the Americans in being the perp and the victim all at the same time. As someone said people usually rob others by putting a gun on their victims head, Pakis will rob you by putting a gun on their own heads. Its really a beautiful farce if it wasnt so detrimental to Indian interests. </p>
<p>Its not that Americans want to pay of Paks to love them. They just hope to pay them off to stop attacking the US, as a bonus what they do in Af-central asia-india will be met with benign neglect.</p>
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		<title>By: Regarding terrorist attacks on Pakistan&#8217;s nuclear sites &#124; The Acorn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Regarding terrorist attacks on Pakistan&#8217;s nuclear sites &#124; The Acorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 09:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and India, this is a conclusion that few serious analysts can find faults with. Unless you are the editorial board of the New York Times you will use every opportunity available to mitigate the risk that terrorism [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and India, this is a conclusion that few serious analysts can find faults with. Unless you are the editorial board of the New York Times you will use every opportunity available to mitigate the risk that terrorism [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ashutosh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ashutosh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 03:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a related point, many Americans I know are really ignorant about the details of Pakistan. Many of them simply know that the &quot;situation is really bad&quot; but beyond that it&#039;s all NYT Op-Eds for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a related point, many Americans I know are really ignorant about the details of Pakistan. Many of them simply know that the &#8220;situation is really bad&#8221; but beyond that it&#8217;s all NYT Op-Eds for them.</p>
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		<title>By: Nagarajan Sivakumar</title>
		<link>http://acorn.nationalinterest.in/2009/08/11/americans-just-want-to-be-loved/comment-page-1/#comment-129891</link>
		<dc:creator>Nagarajan Sivakumar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 02:58:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nitin,
           Please do yourself a favor and stop reading the New York Times op-ed pages. There arent more cocooned people in this universe than Hollywood stars and NYT editors. No one here in the US other than the self appointed liberal intelligentsia reads them - the only other people who do read them are conservatives/right wingers - but they do so, in order to pick them apart.

Furthermore, your tone sounds whiny. This is how the situation is - deal with it.It is India&#039;s fault that we have absolute cowards in charge of our foreign policy and have let the interests of the US in the region subsume its own -  actually, it is an insult to cowards to tar them with the Indian Government.

There is absolutely NOTHING that India can do about this - we cannot claim to be for a democratic Pakistan while at the same time rejecting US assistance towards it - and I dont think we have ever opposed this aid - of course we know that most of this is going to end in the hands of corruptocrats or military jihadists - but so does the US - and it STILL insists on giving them money !

The Pakis are using their geostrategic adavantage to the hilt - while we are passive as sheep no matter how many terrorist strikes originates against us.

For God sakes we have a PM who is ready to appease Pakistan to no end - and you are worried about the NYT clowns ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nitin,<br />
           Please do yourself a favor and stop reading the New York Times op-ed pages. There arent more cocooned people in this universe than Hollywood stars and NYT editors. No one here in the US other than the self appointed liberal intelligentsia reads them &#8211; the only other people who do read them are conservatives/right wingers &#8211; but they do so, in order to pick them apart.</p>
<p>Furthermore, your tone sounds whiny. This is how the situation is &#8211; deal with it.It is India&#8217;s fault that we have absolute cowards in charge of our foreign policy and have let the interests of the US in the region subsume its own &#8211;  actually, it is an insult to cowards to tar them with the Indian Government.</p>
<p>There is absolutely NOTHING that India can do about this &#8211; we cannot claim to be for a democratic Pakistan while at the same time rejecting US assistance towards it &#8211; and I dont think we have ever opposed this aid &#8211; of course we know that most of this is going to end in the hands of corruptocrats or military jihadists &#8211; but so does the US &#8211; and it STILL insists on giving them money !</p>
<p>The Pakis are using their geostrategic adavantage to the hilt &#8211; while we are passive as sheep no matter how many terrorist strikes originates against us.</p>
<p>For God sakes we have a PM who is ready to appease Pakistan to no end &#8211; and you are worried about the NYT clowns ?</p>
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		<title>By: Alagu Periaswamy</title>
		<link>http://acorn.nationalinterest.in/2009/08/11/americans-just-want-to-be-loved/comment-page-1/#comment-129886</link>
		<dc:creator>Alagu Periaswamy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Humans typically have multiple identities imposed on them, so Pashtun Tribal Parocial identity usually subsumes/overcomes  Pashtun Nationalism identity.  We need our friends in the Pakistani army to get medieval on  Pashtuns for Nationalism to overcome Parochialism in the Pashtun peoples, who have always been treated poorly by the Pakistani Punjabis, who &quot;own&quot; the country, so to speak.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Humans typically have multiple identities imposed on them, so Pashtun Tribal Parocial identity usually subsumes/overcomes  Pashtun Nationalism identity.  We need our friends in the Pakistani army to get medieval on  Pashtuns for Nationalism to overcome Parochialism in the Pashtun peoples, who have always been treated poorly by the Pakistani Punjabis, who &#8220;own&#8221; the country, so to speak.</p>
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		<title>By: Alagu Periaswamy</title>
		<link>http://acorn.nationalinterest.in/2009/08/11/americans-just-want-to-be-loved/comment-page-1/#comment-129881</link>
		<dc:creator>Alagu Periaswamy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Arvind,  I agree that the Pashtun and Balochis need a bit of external support or else they are likely to be decimated by the Pakistani army -- the recent Balochistan independence day did not get much publicity sadly.   The worthless Indian media that writes miles of paper worth about the &quot;the poor Kashmiri jihadis in PDP and Hurriyat&quot; do not seem to care for genuine independence movements in Balochistan, Gilgit, Baltistan, and Balawaristan.

For things to move towards the formation of Pashtunisthan, the pakistani army needs to antagonize the pashtuns some more in order for the Pashtuns to response appropriately.  India needs to be  &quot;helping&quot; things move in that direction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arvind,  I agree that the Pashtun and Balochis need a bit of external support or else they are likely to be decimated by the Pakistani army &#8212; the recent Balochistan independence day did not get much publicity sadly.   The worthless Indian media that writes miles of paper worth about the &#8220;the poor Kashmiri jihadis in PDP and Hurriyat&#8221; do not seem to care for genuine independence movements in Balochistan, Gilgit, Baltistan, and Balawaristan.</p>
<p>For things to move towards the formation of Pashtunisthan, the pakistani army needs to antagonize the pashtuns some more in order for the Pashtuns to response appropriately.  India needs to be  &#8220;helping&#8221; things move in that direction.</p>
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		<title>By: Arvind</title>
		<link>http://acorn.nationalinterest.in/2009/08/11/americans-just-want-to-be-loved/comment-page-1/#comment-129880</link>
		<dc:creator>Arvind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:48:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ AP

&quot;What is this “problem of western pakistan”? That the Pashtuns want independence from Pakistan and create their own Pastunisthan, thereby erasing the Durand line?&quot;

No problem with this. Except that no Pashtun SEEMS to want this. Or even if a few do, they are much less &quot;prominent&quot; than &quot;the Taliban&quot; (Afg or Pak, I don&#039;t think either of them want a separate land for Pashtuns). So it is wishful thinking that &quot;Pashtunistan&quot; will be formed by itself. Aint gonna happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ AP</p>
<p>&#8220;What is this “problem of western pakistan”? That the Pashtuns want independence from Pakistan and create their own Pastunisthan, thereby erasing the Durand line?&#8221;</p>
<p>No problem with this. Except that no Pashtun SEEMS to want this. Or even if a few do, they are much less &#8220;prominent&#8221; than &#8220;the Taliban&#8221; (Afg or Pak, I don&#8217;t think either of them want a separate land for Pashtuns). So it is wishful thinking that &#8220;Pashtunistan&#8221; will be formed by itself. Aint gonna happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Arvind</title>
		<link>http://acorn.nationalinterest.in/2009/08/11/americans-just-want-to-be-loved/comment-page-1/#comment-129879</link>
		<dc:creator>Arvind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ AP

&quot;If Abdullah Abdullah wins the election in Afghanisthan against Hamid Karzai, then that would be an indicator that the Pakistani (pro Army) Taliban will regain control of Af-Pak, exactly as in the earlier tenure of Robin Raphael.&quot;

Not really. This guy is Tajik, not to mention his prior association with Northern Alliance. So IMO he will be even more vitriolic than Karzai against Pak. I don&#039;t think Pak has &quot;good choices&quot; in this Afghan election.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ AP</p>
<p>&#8220;If Abdullah Abdullah wins the election in Afghanisthan against Hamid Karzai, then that would be an indicator that the Pakistani (pro Army) Taliban will regain control of Af-Pak, exactly as in the earlier tenure of Robin Raphael.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not really. This guy is Tajik, not to mention his prior association with Northern Alliance. So IMO he will be even more vitriolic than Karzai against Pak. I don&#8217;t think Pak has &#8220;good choices&#8221; in this Afghan election.</p>
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		<title>By: Alagu Periaswamy</title>
		<link>http://acorn.nationalinterest.in/2009/08/11/americans-just-want-to-be-loved/comment-page-1/#comment-129878</link>
		<dc:creator>Alagu Periaswamy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is this &quot;problem of western pakistan&quot;? That the Pashtuns want independence from Pakistan and create their own Pastunisthan, thereby erasing the Durand line?  Why is that a &quot;problem&quot; for India.    I can understand it is a problem for USA and it Rentboy Pakistan, but  an independent Pashtunisthan will make the Pakistani army into a two-front war situation, to the west and east.   Why is that bad for India?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is this &#8220;problem of western pakistan&#8221;? That the Pashtuns want independence from Pakistan and create their own Pastunisthan, thereby erasing the Durand line?  Why is that a &#8220;problem&#8221; for India.    I can understand it is a problem for USA and it Rentboy Pakistan, but  an independent Pashtunisthan will make the Pakistani army into a two-front war situation, to the west and east.   Why is that bad for India?</p>
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		<title>By: Alagu Periaswamy</title>
		<link>http://acorn.nationalinterest.in/2009/08/11/americans-just-want-to-be-loved/comment-page-1/#comment-129877</link>
		<dc:creator>Alagu Periaswamy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem is that leaving Af-Pak in charge of the Pakistani taliban is exactly how 9/11 came about in the first place.  And the US wants to repeat that again by trusting the Pakistani army?  India is the ultimate loser, since the US can just leave for its own backyard any time it wants, after filling the entire area with violent Taliban jugheads all over the CAR region, with the Af-Pak region as the &quot;seed&quot;.  This will effectively deny use of the region by India, Russia and China.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is that leaving Af-Pak in charge of the Pakistani taliban is exactly how 9/11 came about in the first place.  And the US wants to repeat that again by trusting the Pakistani army?  India is the ultimate loser, since the US can just leave for its own backyard any time it wants, after filling the entire area with violent Taliban jugheads all over the CAR region, with the Af-Pak region as the &#8220;seed&#8221;.  This will effectively deny use of the region by India, Russia and China.</p>
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		<title>By: Karan Kapoor</title>
		<link>http://acorn.nationalinterest.in/2009/08/11/americans-just-want-to-be-loved/comment-page-1/#comment-129876</link>
		<dc:creator>Karan Kapoor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 13:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can&#039;t succeed in Afghanistan if you don&#039;t solve the problem of western Pakistan - US representative in some conf in Brussels.

they say, Jarurat ke waqt pe gadhe ko bhi baap banana padta hai.

And regarding money US is sending hardly matters who knows where the money is coming from taxpayers, world bank, United Nations they are having hands in every thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can&#8217;t succeed in Afghanistan if you don&#8217;t solve the problem of western Pakistan &#8211; US representative in some conf in Brussels.</p>
<p>they say, Jarurat ke waqt pe gadhe ko bhi baap banana padta hai.</p>
<p>And regarding money US is sending hardly matters who knows where the money is coming from taxpayers, world bank, United Nations they are having hands in every thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Alagu Periaswamy</title>
		<link>http://acorn.nationalinterest.in/2009/08/11/americans-just-want-to-be-loved/comment-page-1/#comment-129873</link>
		<dc:creator>Alagu Periaswamy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 12:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Abdullah Abdullah wins the election in Afghanisthan against Hamid Karzai,  then that would be an indicator that the Pakistani (pro Army) Taliban will regain control of Af-Pak, exactly as in the earlier tenure of Robin Raphael.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Abdullah Abdullah wins the election in Afghanisthan against Hamid Karzai,  then that would be an indicator that the Pakistani (pro Army) Taliban will regain control of Af-Pak, exactly as in the earlier tenure of Robin Raphael.</p>
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		<title>By: Alagu Periaswamy</title>
		<link>http://acorn.nationalinterest.in/2009/08/11/americans-just-want-to-be-loved/comment-page-1/#comment-129872</link>
		<dc:creator>Alagu Periaswamy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 12:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This articles assumes that the Americans do not have a more devious reason to pump Pakistan up with money and ability to field nuclear weapons -- the target is India and its  nuclear program.  Make no mistake about that -- especially if just duplicitous and devious garbage published in the NY Times (par for the course for that rag).  As Nitin Writes:

&quot;it warns against “bullying language on Pakistan’s nuclear program that would inevitably increase tensions with Islamabad and alienate the Pakistani public.” But isn’t nuclear proliferation something that it should care about? “We, too, are very concerned about Pakistan’s history of nuclear proliferation” it says, “But this aid bill is clearly not the vehicle.” Then pray, what is?&quot;

So the entire paragraph can be summarized into &quot;give more money to Pakistan and allow them to retain their nukes&quot;.  Given how careful the people at the NY times are about saving their own butts from being charred by a nuclear war,  the above language indicates that the US&#039;s goal is to fund all the terrorist movements in Pakistan while appearing to be &quot;fixing the situation&quot;.  Articles like the above seem to be providing plausible deniability to the US to work with Pakistani terrorist groups to retain control of Af-Pak region.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This articles assumes that the Americans do not have a more devious reason to pump Pakistan up with money and ability to field nuclear weapons &#8212; the target is India and its  nuclear program.  Make no mistake about that &#8212; especially if just duplicitous and devious garbage published in the NY Times (par for the course for that rag).  As Nitin Writes:</p>
<p>&#8220;it warns against “bullying language on Pakistan’s nuclear program that would inevitably increase tensions with Islamabad and alienate the Pakistani public.” But isn’t nuclear proliferation something that it should care about? “We, too, are very concerned about Pakistan’s history of nuclear proliferation” it says, “But this aid bill is clearly not the vehicle.” Then pray, what is?&#8221;</p>
<p>So the entire paragraph can be summarized into &#8220;give more money to Pakistan and allow them to retain their nukes&#8221;.  Given how careful the people at the NY times are about saving their own butts from being charred by a nuclear war,  the above language indicates that the US&#8217;s goal is to fund all the terrorist movements in Pakistan while appearing to be &#8220;fixing the situation&#8221;.  Articles like the above seem to be providing plausible deniability to the US to work with Pakistani terrorist groups to retain control of Af-Pak region.</p>
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		<title>By: barbadkatte</title>
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		<dc:creator>barbadkatte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 11:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Taxpayers ? Chinese  money (and to some extent ROW money)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Taxpayers ? Chinese  money (and to some extent ROW money)</p>
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		<title>By: Ankur Vyas</title>
		<link>http://acorn.nationalinterest.in/2009/08/11/americans-just-want-to-be-loved/comment-page-1/#comment-129870</link>
		<dc:creator>Ankur Vyas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 10:28:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a thought-provoking article.  I would like to feature it on my entertainment publication (click on username for link)  on line called. Royal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a thought-provoking article.  I would like to feature it on my entertainment publication (click on username for link)  on line called. Royal.</p>
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